Bogus Family Lines

Whilst researching a branch of my family I came across an interesting connection relating to my 11x great grandparents Thomas Burlingham (1563 – 1650) and Elizabeth Howard (1579 – 1620) both of Norfolk, England. Many researchers have incorrect dates for this couple which would make them about aged four when they started a family lol. (putting those silly mistakes to the side) the biggest issue with this couple is research that was made in the 1700’s, of which a line of descent made Elizabeth Howard the granddaughter of a Robert Howard of Syon House, London (1537 – 1598). It is claimed that this Robert Howard who married a Phillipa Buxton was the illegitimate son of Lord Thomas Howard (1511 – 1537) and Lady Margaret Douglas, Princess and Countess Lennox, who married in secret in 1536 against the wishes of King Henry VIII. This part of the story is correct, the marriage did indeed happen and as a result the couple were arrested, Lord Thomas was executed as a result of this in 1537. What isn’t proven and probably not even true is the child, that is claimed they had – Robert Howard of Syon House who would eventually move to Norfolk, England and settle in Brockdish Hall Manor.

This line of descent has been added to at least 50+ ancestry trees, and could easily make people think they have a descent from King Henry VII.

It is claimed on many trees that a baptism is recorded in church records even though they didn’t begin until 1538, and no tree has added the primary source. The topic regarding this birth  has been widely written about online with arguments for and against. A Find a Grave page has even been created for him which records his details as the following;

Birth: Jan. 1, 1537
Greater London, England
Death: 1598
Norfolk, England

Robert Howard was born on 1 Jan 1537 in Syon House, London, England and died in 1598 in Allsaints Parish, Norfolk, England. He was the son of Lord Thomas Howard (1511-1537) and Lady Margaret Douglas Princess & Countess Lennox (1515-1578).Robert married Phillipa Buxton (1539-1603) in Norfolk, England in 1574. She was the daughter of Thomas Buxton (1513-1551) and unknown mother.

The problem I have is no proof, out of all the trees on Ancestry recording this connection there is only about 5 trees which give an alternative line of descent, there are many that have left this area blank.

Below is a pedigree taken from Burke’s Family Records, which it would seem gets ignored for this family, it records the line of descent for the Howard’s of Brockdish Hall Manor, who acquired the property in 1457, long before a bogus Robert Howard of Syon House decided to move there.

Howards of Brockdish Hall Manor. Source: Burkes Family Records

Howards of Brockdish Hall Manor.
Source: Burkes Family Records

The above pedigree, in my opinion is bare bones genealogy and shows a reliable source for the true ancestors of Robert Howard, who wasn’t of Syon House at all and was born, bred and died in Brockdish Manor.

The eldest member of this family so far known is Sir John Howard, Knt (1410 – after 1457) who was the first Howard to own this manor, I have not been able to add this cadet branch to the main Howard family (although I am working on it) any researchers stumbling on this post and may have information or a source for him please post a comment.

Below is a Coat of Arms for the Howard Family, which I digitally put together. If you use this image please credit the work to my blog. Thank you 🙂

Howard Coat of Arms (Gules) a Bend between six Cross-crosslets fitchy (Argent) Copyright: If you use this particular Coat of Arms, on your family tree or website, please credit the work to; Stephen Dawe-Kuta or Dawe-Kuta family history or/and the Lives of my Ancestors (Blog)

Howard Coat of Arms
(Gules) a Bend between six Cross-crosslets fitchy (Argent) Copyright: If you use this particular Coat of Arms, on your family tree or website, please credit the work to; Stephen Dawe-Kuta or Dawe-Kuta family history or/and the Lives of my Ancestors (Blog)

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16 thoughts on “Bogus Family Lines

    • Yes, I have often thought that too, but you can open each branch individually and keep extending the tree. But it is a shame you can’t view more generations at once.

    • It is a huge error, people have blogged about the link etc (showcasing their connection) although a well known historian has commented on one forum stating its a clear fabrication. Problem is, all the trees with this incorrect info out number the trees with the correct info, so the problem will just keep getting bigger as ancestry only show probable hints or the most likely ones.

      • That’s the problem with all these public trees. Lazy people copy what they see without doing research, and when it’s copied enough times, it becomes “the truth.” Sad.

  1. Bless You for sharing this correct info… I’ve removed the incorrect line & will use your tree to fill-in this branch of my Ancestry tree correctly. Thank You. P.K.

  2. Thank you for sharing this. I had a line that lead me to Thomas Howard and Margaret Douglas through Robert and his wife Phillipa Buxton as well. It’s so irritating when people insist their obvious errors are correct and yet provide no proof. I guess this means we’re distant cousins.

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